Webinar

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Hello, hello, hello, everyone. Happy Thursday. Before I introduce myself, I'm going to give you a description of my background. I have a blue background. I'm wearing a dark blue shirt with NAD logo. I have white glasses. I have Black braids towards the end and I am a woman. My name is Stephanie Hakulin. And I am the committee here focusing on part of the committee focusing on race. Welcome to our 6th webinar in this series. Just want to take a minute to give an overview of the house rules. Please use the chat box to share your questions. You may also raise your hand to come on-screen. We'll call your name to come up so we can see you. It's very important that we show mutual respect and respect for other folks. If you're not able to do so, you'll be asked to leave the room. I like to start by recognizing the indigenous lands. We're gathered on the indigenous lands of Native-Americans. And we honor and the community of past and future generations. And we just want to honor what they have provided for us today. We will have a Q&A portion after the presentation. You can go ahead and type your questions into the Q&A or raise your hand to be called on. Now, I am so excited to introduce Malibu Barron. She will go ahead and give her bio and background. But she's presenting today on system addict racism. And here she is. thank you for taking the floor.

>> MALIBU BARRON: Hello, everyone. Hello. My name is Malibu Barron. And I'm going to give you a short description of my background. I have a book case behind me with several books. I have a pack back and a white shelf, as well as some frames behind me. I'm wearing a dark blue shirt and jacket. And I have glasses and my description is clear. And I'm she/her. And I'm thrilled to be in this space today and provided much-needed coverage how we interact with each other, as well as how engage with the system in terms of racism. My typical presentation style I like to engage with the audience a lot. However, I like to acknowledge we are on Zoom. But please do feel free to connect with me, interrupt me, and especially, regarding accessibility to make sure that I am not freezing, but also in terms of my content and context to make sure. If there's terms you're unfamiliar with, let us know. Feel free, so we can take a pause and classify. If there's questions that come up, please feel free to interrupt at any time. I do want to make this an interactive and engaging opportunity. So feel free to raise your hand. Post things in chat at any point through the presentation. I'll continue on for about a minute. An hour and 30 minutes and then open it up for Q&A. If you have questions after this presentation, do feel free to reach out to me to continue the conversation. So I hope you're ready to get started. I do believe strongly that rules are kind of made to be broken. You know, it really is they're set in order to manage the power differential in many situations. Every training I go and, every situation I'm in I see these established. I want to see these expectations are set for myself and people I'm working with, and also hold people accountable to these on a daily basis. About 2013, I was doing an internship in Texas. I was a counselor. And the theme was open heart and open mind. And I still didn't quite understand that concept at that time. Now it makes a lot of sense when I'm thinking about DEIA and racism work and all kind of "ism" work especially diversity, equity, and inclusion and we're talking about the system. If your heart is closed and your mind is closed, you're not able to make the changes necessary. But if they're open, you're able to make the connection, make the connections and, umm, work towards making the change that might be necessary. Your body and mind must be ready to welcome these change so we can move forward. So for the next two hours, I hope you're showing up here with your heart open, ready to listen, accept the stories that are being shared, and information I'll share today as well as what is shared from others. There may be things you disagree with, but it's important that we listen to each other. That way, we can expand our understanding, which will also lead us to be able to honor multiple truths. Today, in this very room, we may have many different identities. It's not going to be the exact type of experiences you would have as if you're in person, but certainly, I will elaborate this more talking about the multiple identities and all the people that bring into one space and how that is impacted when we engage with the system. At the same time, I want you to be curious. Maybe this is the first time you're learning about this. Maybe you know, the lunar moon, and the sun, and the earth, these are all maybe new concepts for you. Maybe they will also help open your mind to recognize that maybe you now are understanding the world is not flat. The world is, in fact, round. You know, we're going to experience challenges. We're going to make mistakes. But that also leads to change. That change comes with humanity, comes with engagement and having conversations. And if someone tells you you're doing something wrong, whether it's practice, it's important to recognize the cause that might be causing the situation, but also welcome that curiosity to make change. And the goal is to recognize we're all humans and we're here to learn more about each other. We may agree to disagree. But that also builds kind of back and forth conversation. This will actually help us heal to have these dialogues. We want to be curious and ask about people's perspective so we can broaden our understanding and understand where we may be disagreeing. We also want to understand where people are coming from, and the reverse is also true so people can understand where you're coming from. There's no right or wrong about this situation. We're just all human individuals with multiple truths. So I really believe that here and going forward, it's important that people encompass these principles to help them make change in a variety of environments. So these principles are something I hold close to my heart. And they're not rules particularly per se, but I encourage you to incorporate them into your own practices. So I hope we're ready to move forward with that. I do want to start being transparent with the fact that I am a multiracial deaf individual, woman. I have two children who are also deaf. I am from a fourth generation deaf individual, from Deaf family. I am excited to do start my doctorate program this fall. And I've been working for about 10 years, over 10 years, really, in the male class situation. So I see some things that impact marginalized identity, yes. But I do also carry privileges. For example, my access to information. My experience. My specific presence also may cause harm to others. You know, my identity is somewhat ambiguous. And later on, I will talk about that. And how that impacts my -- how I navigate life on a daily basis. My presentation style is typically more narrative-based. You know, research and evidence are not necessarily incorporated into my content. A lot is based on stories, my personal stories, and stories I encountered through the K-12 education system, members of the community I engage with, and also who may have experienced different types of violence or carry a variety of familiar experiences. All these stories have kind of brought me to the point and perspective where I have now. Research, and specific evidence that may be out there, I can certainly provide that to you. But this particular two hours, I'm going to follow a more narrative style and bring the stories of deaf, BIPOC, Black, indigenous, and people of color's stories here to the floor. I feel it's very valuable to include those lenses and how I approach this content. So what I would like for you to do now is to type in a word, or a phrase, or feel free to raise your hand so we can call on you. Think about before you registered for this workshop, what are you hoping to get from this space while you're here? I think it's important for all of us to be intentional about being in this space. We've been in a lot of workshops, webinar, training, and some are mandatory and some are not. Some are, you know, in response to violence and things that have happened. Some are centered in white gazing. So often times people may not feel engaged in that space, and it also may be a trigger, not a trigger for them, and it may not engage type of change they want. So right now, I, oh, I see someone is asking about what is white gazing. Let me clarify. So maybe you have a panel of Black Deaf individuals talking about their experiences in the school on a panel. And often it's typically the White people in the community that show up and listen to these stories. And they're astonished or surprised by many things that may have been shared. Yet, they go back to their same practices and don't make any change. And they perpetuate the racism that still exists there. So white gazing is more like watching these situations go by without making any change. I hope that's clear.

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: I see some comments there. So questions are coming in and so we're going to stay conscious tools to stay conscious on daily basis. Oh got you. Thanks. And somebody asked what is white privilege?

>> MALIBU BARRON: Is that something you would like to learn more about or just one word you're sharing? I just want clarification there. Keep them coming. I see there's about 35 people here. I like to see more words in the chat. Not seeing anything else. Everybody is pretty quiet. Well, what I am hoping for is -- I'm sorry.

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: There's a comment from Marag saying how do we would be agents of change? And then from Shana. From a BIPOC to another BIPOC. Charlotte says insight. Charm says tools to continue my open mind/heart framing. Reagan says I'm here to listen.

>> MALIBU BARRON: We're caught up on chat?

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Someone says unconscious bias awareness. And another comment says willing to change.

>> MALIBU BARRON: Are we good? Going once, twice, all right.

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Learn. So someone commented I'm here to hear perspectives and be aware to how I can share. I live in a prominent white culture. Someone else says this is about interrupting and dismantling institutional racism. I believe this is the last one from before NAD Conference in Orlando. How can we/I, as delegates and other attendees make confidence more inclusive. So in one word, another person commented how to improve atmosphere. Next comment says learn more. And another comment says I got asked a lot, so I like to take this to share to others as well.

>> MALIBU BARRON: Good?

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Another comment said time had to stop it.

>> MALIBU BARRON: The point I want to make note of the comment in the chat, because you want to identify where you may have similarities with others and where you may have differences. But it will also lead to how you can take this information away. And how you connect with information as we go forward. If you do have any specific questions, you know, please figure out an opportunity to have these conversations, maybe even before you go to the conference. We hope today's workshop will just help you become more intentional about what or how you're using different spaces. And I'm really glad you're here today. So let me give you an idea how things are going to flow today. We're going to start with a grounding activity. I'm a trained therapist. So of course I need to incorporate something related to, umm, you know, dismantling this system. But that starts with the bottom-up. So my style really is focused on working, making commitment to that. Committing to ourselves, becoming trauma-informed, because often oppression and violence are really lined with trauma. And in order to dismantle the system, we have to address both systems because they're interconnected. So we'll do a grounding activity, several of them. And if you're interested in more, we can certainly take a break and do that or you can do that on your own. If you're sitting there in your pajamas watching, do whatever you need to do, that grounding at any point to reconnect with the content going forward. And then we're going to have some courageous conversations on how we can use this information to be more intentional. As we dive into different issues and different topics, I have my own way of framing information. But maybe you have a different perspective which is fine. I certainly welcome that. But maybe how I'm explaining something you may disagree. I welcome those types of discussion. If at any point there is an accessibility issue, please immediately interrupt me, whether it be visual, maybe it's terminology, anything related with accessibility, please interrupt at any point. Make sure that I don't have any particular expectations of what things may look like. So feel free to connect and engage with me. This is a list of terminology that I tend to use in my everyday life within work, community, and other systems. Now, there might be other terms that come up in my presentation, and if you are not familiar with those terms, please send a message in chat. But these are things that have been really part of the foundation work and work that I do daily. So from the top of the list, we'll start with courageous. Brene Brown, if you're not familiar with her work, you can easily find her work on Google, Instagram, or Facebook. But it's really accessible. She's based here in Texas. And I ran into her work several times, which has been really incredible. But Brene Brown, in her own words, the things that we do oftentimes overlap with shame. And we do a lot of shame-based work which oftentimes causes harm than it does when we are trying to create these courageous conversations. So if we're focus more object the shame based work we can help ourselves and also help with growing our community. But if we incorporate that into our daily practices, we can then grow into having a courageous conversation. Next, we want to talk about vulnerability. And also be conscious of how we visually depict that ASL. Because it doesn't mean a weakness, but more so opening up and allowing people to see with it. I know oftentimes, we are afraid to do this because some of our experiences and triggers that we have gone through. And oftentimes, it does bring up some moments of pain and also accountability. But it allows for growth. Now, a new term I recently learned within the last through months is tribalism. And tribalism is oftentimes supporting one group. Now, for example, with the issue of Ukraine and Russia, we've seen a lot of focus on media on that. But there's a lot of individuals who talk quite a bit about the issues in Palestine and other areas, and even some of the recent news with mass shooting. So there's been a lot of this one is not as important as this one. But we have to recognize that as humans, we tend to navigate towards one thing or another. So we have to work and recognizing that oftentimes that when we are supporting of one specific thing, that doesn't mean we cannot support another thing. And that's one way of thinking of tribalism. Next term is intersectionality. That is one reason why I mention, prior as a multiracial Deaf woman, because oftentimes, there's one aspect of my identity and experience and type of oppression that I [Indistinct] and altogether, it does have its own experience but they're not the same for all people with the same identity. So intersectionality oftentimes has a specific form of oppression that is underserved by that person or that community. And, again, these are heavy influences by a person's identity. So you might have someone who identifies as white. But they might be a White Deaf disabled person versus a deaf white senior citizens or elderly person. And considering what does that mean for a person who identifies as BIPOC? Next term is trauma-responsive. Often times when people experience trauma, we tend to try to be mindful of, of course, how certain triggers might affect someone and how they respond. So we look at their behavior and how they communicate. But oftentimes when these triggers continue to impact this person, we might see something that angers this person or how they might react to it as well. So we might see different patterns that might appear when it comes to struggle, or other responses as well. Next is culturally responsive. We want to recognize we're human beings and human beings are complex people that carry traditions, values, and beliefs. And when it comes to time and relationships, and all these parts of ourselves, carry on within us and they are oftentimes values in our day. And so, sometimes these cultural identities might cause a specific person to look down upon someone else in certain ways as we see there are individuals in a collectivist culture. And collectivist culture, we oftentimes, someone in that group, are for all members of the community versus individualistic culture. And we can see how those different culture responses influence [Indistinct]. And so for me, another important term you see is culture humility. I see there's different people in the world that have different movement, different beliefs, different ways of being. Until we, me as a person who wants to recognize that a core person, because I would never want to put them down or oppress them as a person and really take them into who they are. And I recognize I have a Bachelor's degree. I will enter a doctorate program. So I definitely wouldn't want to look down somebody who doesn't have a college degree because of my grassroots of having these academic spaces. So during this work, you know, I want to recognize these people are also experts in their own community and also in the work I'm doing myself. So I want to recognize that my position, the position of power that I have, and have that culture ready for people that I'm also working in community with especially when it comes to my work. I also want to mention that some individuals have various perspectives. How I talk about these terms, you know, the definition that I have given may not be accurate to you. But for my experiences and upbringing and my understanding in my exposure to the world does influence how I present today. But that also, I do want to recognize those experiences in how I present myself might be harmful for some individuals. So if there's no other questions with the terms here, I can move ahead to the next slide. Are we all good? Now, as we move on with the presentation, I'm happy to take a break as needed. Yeah. I'm going to go ahead and sign what's on the screen here. I want to recognize that within my 36th years, I've had various positions as a person. So a lot of these individuals have imparted with me wisdom really influenced the work that I do when it comes to DEI anti-racist work. I want to first mention Najama Johnson. Dr. Cheryl Wu. (Reading name on the screen) (acknowledging name on the screen). So I did try to give my mother on-screen as well, but these are some people who really had hold spaces with me, either we shared a same identity, and someone who I haven't shared an identity, but they contained a whole space in my identity. And I couldn't have been malleable as you see here today with these people list who shaped me into who I am. Now, there is a lot of white identifying people who have influenced my work as well. But I wanted to do recognize these folks here who oftentimes get overlooked. So I want to do mention these folks and I did not want them to be overlooked.

>> There's some comments coming in. There's one comment that says courageous is the top of product, is the best top of product given to me.

>> MALIBU BARRON: I want to pause now and recognize that our current society isn't safe and healthy for many of our youth and individuals with marginalized identities. Now, I know we've seen the news with mass shootings. Laws, and transitional youth. And many rights being taken away from individuals, abortion laws being rescinded. So many things right now are happening within our system that impacting when it comes to legislation and education and people in our community. Some states are currently doing well and some are not. Now, of course, we could have blamed COVID for these happening. But COVID has been dying down. So now we see there's been intentional action to marginalize these communities. And so I wanted to stop and identify these, and also want to offer the opportunity for you all to mention any specific topic that you would like to share about specifically as you feel you hold -- you cherish and carry for yourself. But I definitely want to recognize that in this space if bring that into this conversation. As mentioned, I want to be intentional about how we communicate these topics. So you can identify any of these specific events that happen in society now within the comments as you please. We're good? Does anyone want to add any other reason? I guess we can move forward. One second. Wait. Wait for Stephanie to sign this comment.

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: The comment says in my field of work, I'm helping others. I pause to reflect my self-worth and values and, et cetera.

>> MALIBU BARRON: The Black Lives Matter is still really part of our work. Especially in last 15 years. I know in my senior year in 2007 or 2008, I remember the first mention of BLM. And so part of my reason to pause was to recognize why am I doing this work? Stephanie, another came in.

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Absolutely. There's so much happening in this world, we can't just sit back and watch it, we can't sit back and let is consume us. We have to get together and do something. The next comment says the murder of George Floyd shifted my spirit. Derrick says due to the craziness that is happening everywhere and it is affecting me directly. And I am looking for ways I can be useful in helping others to overcome racism and oppression.

>> MALIBU BARRON: So I like the word used for courtesy. So a lot of the chaos that we've seen, one term to use and I see in mental health spaces a lot with the events happening, trying to figure out how can we overcome that hopeless feeling. So I really appreciate that comment being added to this space.

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Anthony said BLM today was something that had shifted me. It was like the Civil Rights Movement for me in the '70s. Another comment says, yes, I agree with Shana. It's overwhelming just to decide where to start and wanting to start and wanting to be everywhere for every protest and movement. So which one will I go to? Which one will make the immediate impact? And Domonic says myself as a Black person, I have to work in a toxic environment. So I'm trying to figure out how to protect myself as a Black person working in a white workplace.

>> MALIBU BARRON: I'm processing all the comments here.

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Another comment says I'm deep-thinking to see myself to improving areas alike how I can help towards community. And charm says injustice is real and it is important that we remain engaged and learn perspectives on many levels.

>> MALIBU BARRON: All right. I think we can go ahead and stop as of now. But I would love for you to continue to comment if needed. My eye site is not that great so I appreciate the comments.

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: We have additional comments. Lifetime always pain and never stop so therefore, we just have to keep on.

>> MALIBU BARRON: Thank you. I also like to acknowledge individuals and internal that we're doing and all that we're seeing happening in community in the system as well. Really, it's impossible to separate that from the person. So if we want to do the work, we also have to recognize marginalization that is happening, and also the process of needing to dismantle the systems through education and through healing opportunities. And doing the self work and recognizing it can be overwhelming. But that journey that you are taking that you are not alone in it. So it will take a lot of personal efforts to see what is going on and what comes up in that process. And I see few more comments.

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: There's a question here from Charles asking how do we embrace and accept our differences?

>> MALIBU BARRON: Embracing our differences?

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Another comment. Charlotte here has raised her hand.

>> MALIBU BARRON: Charlotte? Seems that it's not working.

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Sorry, she's saying no comment. Okay.

>> MALIBU BARRON: All right. I would love to see some of you come on-screen as well the chat. It allows me to feel more like a community here. But also we will have an opportunity at the end of the session for you to all present your questions to me on video if you like. With all these comments here, we have to recognize our part and what we're doing. And also recognizing what was your reason when you do work that you do? How are you making a difference as many and how, for me specifically, how can I'd be someone that allows for person who is unheard, unseen, to be brought in and make sure they feel connected and shared and loved in this space. So that is my mantra that I work with every single day. And I hope that when you are looking at your campus and earth and guiding post, that's something you strive to work towards. Sometimes it does require us to take that pause to reflect. So courageous conversations. And I want to explain why this is important. I work at Texas School for the Deaf as a DEI coordinator there. And this is a new concept that halfs come about. We've got a lot of conversations about it and we really enjoy incorporating this into our practice daily in our workshops and otherwise. Courageous conversations are intentional conversations to talk about complex issues. When we're ready to unpack these discussions and make sure our mind and bodies are ready for the conversations. You know, this is related to social justice, inequities, equity, privilege, and we do this in a circle format. Obviously, in Zoom, we can't make that happen, but we can use that concept here. And you can also incorporate this into your daily practice. We can take turns when we're having conversations to make sure people are ready to contribute. You know, we may be looking at social media, Facebook, or Instagram posts that come up and then they may disappear. But often, people don't process those, because they may have different reasons for posting or sharing that information. So those spaces on social media are not intentional for having those types of conversations. So we need to think about how we can transfer that into a space where we can have conversations, family meetings, gathering with friends, going to the Deaf club. When we get into a circle format and we can talk about these issues that arise. Exactly. That's a brave space, similar to a brave space, these courageous conversations. I got that comment. Thanks, Stephanie. Go ahead. You know, just like rules, rules are made to be broken, but we want some kind of agreements with courageous conversations. We want people to be engaged. It's easy to go off topic and not address this specific issue. We want to stay engaged with the topic. Sometimes in the discussion it really turns the lens towards yourself, you know, as a person with privilege or as a person with certain identity, but it's important that you stay connected to the discussion. As well as expect some discomfort. We can't have these discussions lightly. We can't, you know, show or talk about racism in a light manner or in a way that makes people feel good. We need to make it known you have to expect the discomfort and sit with that discomfort. Don't try to fix it. Don't try to make people feel better. You don't need to apologize for it. Rather, you just have to figure out how to dive into that discomfort and move forward. And also speaking your truth. You know, often we like to kind of fluff things or use words to not talk about exact issues or kind of beat around the bush. You do want to speak your particular truth, share what's coming from you. Offer your perspective, your experience, and your truth. And that's what brought you to that space at that particular day. So you want to use that as an opportunity to dive into these discussions. Not what you heard or read in an article. Not what you think might be the right answer. We do that too often in our daily practice. Rather, you should show up speaking your truth. And one of the most important things, I guess everything is important, sorry to say one thing. However, you do want to expect and respect lack of closure. Conflicts arise, and we want to try to resolve them and move on. But that's not always what can happen. Sometimes you have to step away. You get into arguments and you have these battles back and forth. And sometimes you never have an opportunity in the same shared space with someone to have that closure. And you have to accept that. We often want to check boxes, feel good, move forward like we're learning and going and going. However, these discussions are messy. And this closure cannot always happen. We can't move forward with the exact answers or answers that make us feel good. For example, George Floyd situation came up. You know, the schools were ready to have these dialogues. But, really, there were no nuts and bolts to kind of offer space to have these conversations. We really needed courageous conversations. As a person, you contribute to these racist system and into these situations. But we need to have honest conversations and recognize how we, as individuals, play a part in these roles, and in these situations and own it. That's how we're going to dismantle the system. We have to expect people are never going to accept their wrongdoing. But we also want people to commit to this work. So now you are probably wondering why courageous conversations? Courageous conversations are intentional space you create with people regardless of their identities. And priority here are relationships. Valuing individuals as humans. Seeing who they are, you know, not saying you don't see color or identities. That's not what we can bring to the table. I see people as they are. And create that intentional space to have these discussions. Share your thoughts, provide input, that means these conversations are going to be more meaningful. We don't want to criticize people. You know, we want to identify -- we want to have these conversations in a way that honors relationships and people first. Conflicts will arise, and they always do. And conflict is not a bad thing. You know, people often want to try to avoid conflict. I'm still trying to work on myself. I went to a DEI workshop and conflicts did come up and it was tough. But I still had to work through that conflict. Ask for support. Ask for help so I can navigate things and reframe things. And thought maybe this is difficult for me, and as myself, as DEI trainer, but I had to push forward and commit to finding a resolution. And then even as a community, we need to work towards healing. You know, the world is expecting divisions. They're expecting people to take sides. They're not expecting us to work together and move together to dismantle the system. You know, this, they're expecting us to be divided. I won't dive into that quite yet but I will later in the presentation.

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: I just want to comment that was made. It says in and out of lacks daily, how can we change and make a believer?

>> MALIBU BARRON: I'm not quite sure if that's a question or a comment here. Okay, comment.

>> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: So question and a comment. Question is how can we make a believer? This person will add clarification to that. Anthony was it a comment?

>> It's more of a question.

>> MALIBU BARRON: Anthony, please correct me if I'm wrong. I guess you're asking how do we create change p make believers? I think we need to start with acceptance. Acceptance that we cannot change other people's minds. If a person has a certain belief that incorporate their values, their life experience, we may want to pull them to the quote-unquote "right side" but we have to accept where they are. Sorry, maybe could you clarify that comment again? Okay, you want to go back to lacks. Okay. You like to go back one slide? I think we need to go back one more. Okay, thank you so much. Okay, so this is expect and accept lack of closure. This means you may have a serious conflict with someone, and that person might actually feel offended. They might feel hurt frankly. Now, you want to make things better and you want to have a solution for that situation. But often, sometimes those conflicts create trauma. And we have to accept that be have caused harm, potentially cause harm. And know that the person may never be okay again. Maybe some time in future, 2, 3, 4 years, whatever it may be, we have to honor that when they can resolve that conflict. Maybe they will forgive you or you have to accept the accountability for causing that harm. Some mistakes are very, very serious and very harmful. So I think, Anthony, I hope that answers or clarifies what we're talking about by accepting lack of closure. All right, let's move forward to, yes, right here. I know this text is supersmall. But it's really just information to help keep me on track, because I can go on and on about my life story. So I will share what's on the slide and then I'll elaborate. I just went to the DNA conference and it focuses on mental health. And it's the first time I traveled with them out of state. I'm a single mom and I was grateful to have my family member with me. And it was a lot of fun. And that actually showed me change is good. Unknown and lack of unfamiliarity is okay. I just want to be open and transparent. You know, that I was a former mental health provider. And then I shifted towards getting into DEI work and working with the school systems, particularly with mental health as well as with the community. I decided to not continue with my therapeutic field, because I had some licensing issues. Licensing issues, and it was difficult to navigate the system as a BIPOC deaf individual. I asked several people about licensure and how to kind of get there. And they told me I couldn't, because they didn't accept one particular class. You had to take courses as a full-time student. I realized I couldn't do that and I couldn't pursue my license. You know, after all this work I put into it, I realized there was a lot of generational trauma I had also been carrying. My own acknowledgement of my privilege and marginalization is important in this process. I just recently got some ancestry DNA and I better understand, you know, my identities. Previously, I was making assumptions and guesses about what may have been influencing my who I am as a person. But with this DNA now, I understand the trauma that may have been carried generationally. And interring the background of my ancestors, also brought a little pain, but, yet, at the same time, it was liberating. I do see some comment but I'm going to hold for a hometown. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Did you say interracial Deaf person? I wanted to make sure I saw your fingerspelling correctly. The captioning said BIPOC. Interracial -- >> MALIBU BARRON: Multiracial. I will explain that little bit more later. Thank you. You know, mental health means, it's attributed to my experience growing up. You know, having grandparent who were enslaved on both sides of my family. That's something I carry, in a generational trauma within enslavement. And then also growing up in a predominantly white space, as a victim of domestic violence, my father had schizophrenia. He was a white hearing man who caused a lot of violence in our family for 11 years. It was non-stop violence. So my own childhood trauma still lives and sits with me today. And then later on, I wanted to get into the field of therapy, and I continued, I realized I was having this struggle with the system and licensure. And there was a reason behind that, but I didn't know at the time. But then I turned and got into DEI work and it helped me better understand how I got to the point where my experiences to that point in life, anxiety, depression, and PTSD, complex PTSD, oh, you want me to elaborate on DEI? It's diversity, equity, and inclusion. That's what we call DEI. So my experience up to that point of becoming a therapist actually become a barrier for me, because it led to a mental exhaustion for myself. You know, until I was diagnosed with my mental health issues and that helped me better understand these things I brought to the space and where I am today. So it's important that you remember to, you know, trauma is part of our daily lives. And what has happened to you up to the point of where you are is not your fault. It just is. So my healing, however, is my responsibility. I cannot take my harm, my trauma and put it on other people. That trauma experience growing up is something that I have to figure out how to heal from, and that is a choice I need to make. I want to remember that it's no one else's responsibility to have the healing. I cannot cause harm to other people. You know, since I've been doing this work, I have to be mindful of my own trauma. So I was kind of shocked once I got my ancestry DNA. I did identify that I had some indigenous heritage. And it was quite far back in my lineage. Also had some Hawaiian background and they told me my name Malibu was Hawaiian. But anyway, I had all these new identities and labels that were brought to my attention. And I was 32% Scottish? That was something surprising to me that I never knew about. I was 30% British from the Dorset area. That's a White Community in England. I was 26% Sierra Leonian. So when it took me time to do my family tree and look at the ancestry, it was really amazing. My 5th generation grand parents were enslaved. And they worked on a sugar cane plantation in Baton Rouge. And we moved around quite a bit and landed in Iowa where I was born. You know, I incorporated part of this enslavement as well as slaved owners as part of myself. And that's really difficult to navigate and process. But it is a truth of mine. Though different experiences of causing harm and being on the recipient end of harm as enslaved family members, really, this is something that is difficult, but it has been a part of me and has brought me to this place. I recognize also that I do not just hold one marginalized identity. I also have other identities. I have light skin. I have white heritage. When people see the shape of my mouth, they can identify that I am from other communities. Some people when I'm wearing a mask may not see the identities that are reflected as part of my ancestry or cultural heritage. For past two years, really, the point is here I am and what you see is what you get. It's important that we do take a moment to dive in on our identities to better understand how we interact with people. And that will lead us to steps towards dismantling our system, because we need to understand ourselves first. We can't put all of that into the system. And we can't reference other people and how they grow up. You know, we are all part of this system. The system is made up of people. We need to commit to understanding that we need to do the work to dismantle the system together. When we talk about -- so, recognizing that in workplace and working in our own family as well. And recognizing time is running out. We have 45 minutes so I'm going to move faster with the rest of the presentation. So also important issue for your own connection with the work. So, when we think of word relation with anything, we must also recognize the bias that we have. I think one or two people mentioned bias. Oftentimes how we tend to think of bias is that it's something we put away in back of our heads. But bias is something we actually put in front of our head. And that becomes a filter in how we see and process things. So within this activity, we want to recognize this. When we think of the word race, what come up for you? Maybe racism? Maybe think of a picture or word or situation? Audism? Again, picture word or situation. Intersectionality. Picture a word or situation. What comes up for you? Privilege. I don't sign privilege this way. And that person that created that sign was a white hearing man who uses sign for privilege. And I don't use that myself. So I use this way in terms of signing privilege. What comes up for you when that term comes up? Next marginalization. You can also, anything that comes up for you, you can feel free to put this in chat. Or just write it down for yourself. And also it will be available for you afterwards for further discussion. Mental health. Poverty. What comes for you there? Emotional poverty? Now, emotional poverty might mean you don't have any emotional support because of your economic status. So emotional poverty has started to come up within the school and education system and community, and even familial systems. And I can definitely recommend some books that talk a bit more about that as well. Classism? What comes up for you there? Colonization, what comes for you there? And decolonization? What word, phrase, or situation comes to mind? Trauma. And healing. So, as you see and think of all these words, do you see a common theme within them? Do you see a certain image? A certain person? Certain figure that comes up when you see or hear or read these words? Or is it something that you experience every day? Maybe in conversation? Maybe in your life? Maybe the systems we operate in? Are these something that are operating in front of your mind? Now, I want you to think about these, the time of our presentation today. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: There does one comment in the chat box asking am I enough for anything? >> MALIBU BARRON: That was word or phrase mentioned. When I talked to NAD about this presentation, how I described the system is more so like a factory. Or machine. Now, specifically, for this, a lot of individuals moved here for religious freedom. And then the British decided to colonize the territory and lands. Then as history explained, we created our constitution, and then we created our governing system, and then we continue to import various things here and then business started to grow. And when itself became a full operating system, then we see police brutality. And then that was a threat to system, this machine that was operating. That has always been working that spin a beautiful machine that has been helping system as we see it run. Now, some people might think of the KKK. Now, they weren't what we think of them now, but they were a part of the system that helped it run. They valued, for example, within the school scheduling system, we see oftentimes the time of the school year is from August to maybe May or June. And those oftentimes were because of honoring systems of those who worked in rural spaces or even honoring specific religious holidays, which were of likely white holidays, so we follow that schedule there. And we also had people who want to do challenge those systems and say why don't we think about this specific thing? And now we're threatening the machine, and now we were thought of people challenging it and they wanted to leave it as is. And year after year and after year, in the school system, we saw that they will say we'll talk about it next year and year after that, and year after that, and they never made the changes. Think about one book I read, when it talks about the support for JFK and his commitment as President to fight for Civil Rights and fight for voting rights, and then we saw a situation come up where a specific right was mentioned to him, and you see, he said it's not time yet. It's not right yet. Until we see right now when we see you know, the rising of Black Lives Matter, where we started within this time, equity wasn't thought about in this moment. And so, when we think about women's rights and suffrage rights, we think about what happened to Frederic Douglas and a lot of times to bring on rights for white community before Black and Brown communities. The school systems usually run the same when we see in public schools early 1900s, and also during Industrial Revolution, when work became available, and the needs of employment became available, oftentimes, schools were creating tracks of for students, whether it's for reading and writing. But they all created a specific pipeline ready for us to go into these industries. But then it also recognized there was a pipeline for individuals to go within the in carceral system as well. And so when we see the rise of suspensions and expose of students, how we see how that increased individuals going into these in carceral systems as well. So we see how these systems operated for the last 400 years. And people say this system is broken, when in actually it's not, it's working exactly how it's intended to be. So when we have that divide in terms of you have this part of your community and my community, we think that -- when they're often divided, people talk about dismantling the system, when oftentimes we can't necessarily be selected in how we are trying to fight for these systems, because some folks will pick one type. So I want to fight for this. This person says I want to fight for that. And pick certain things. But when they're doing this, they're further marginalizing certain communities and fighting for another system. So when we think of the systems when it comes to schools for deaf, it's pretty mean system. And we also have to recognize what is the inner function of that as well in terms of how we are selecting people, how we also are selecting people within our political spaces, whether they're in the Senate or Congress. So all of these make a difference, whether it's between the selection of one person, 100, or thousand, they all make a difference. But the change starts at the individual level and also the work that we do in being committed to dismantling the system. And when we make that part of our daily practice and work with our day-to-day community, it can happen. And it doesn't necessarily mean that work needs to have riots and protests, but there are ways. When it comes to legislation being passed, education in the classroom, the way we provide and teach curriculum, education is also a tool that is intended to have and encourage critical thinking among students. And so when we think about it today, my son right now is in the cooking campus for the Deaf. They had mentioned that my son was not being community with the rules. So they want to go and test him for him not being compliant. But then I was thinking, well, that test is created by a system. And so if we're using a test on him, we're trying to make him more compliant to follow the system and making him more compliant than others. So again, talking about the system and how it runs, this was a [Indistinct] and agency, workplaces or community, Deaf Culture and what not, various spaces we might be in. They oftentimes operate within their own systems that are created based off of oppression. And that form of repression isn't oftentimes explicit as it can be. And so, we need to instead of parsing out what isn't good, we have to do work I call, or that is called anti-racism. And so oftentimes, people say well, I'm not racist. There are certain thing that have been engrained in us as we've experienced the world that sometimes you know, people don't necessarily recognize it until they're later. And when they are learning to decolonize from that type of teachings they were taught. And so when we make this part of our conscious and daily work, we can do that. So, again, this is all part of the big picture and the machine that we operate in. Steph testify there's definitely some comments here that education is key and foundation for positive changes. Like dysconscious racism? >> MALIBU BARRON: You might elaborating on that? I've never seen that term before. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: You can talk or pop-up what you mean. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: I learn something every day. She's struggling to find her video button here. >> MALIBU BARRON: Maybe expand screen? >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. You know, we're talking about Audism. It's a form of dysconscious racism. We kind of oppress each other because we learned from the larger hearing community. So I am wondering if that is a parallel to racism? That kind of dysconscious racism. You know? Not me particularly, but I wonder if that occurs within BIPOC Community. They internalize racism, so do they have repressed folks and don't realize they're doing that. Is that possible? >> MALIBU BARRON: Well, I would need to learn more about that. My personal experience is different from other folks experience. But, yes, growing up, I was oftentimes told that being Black and Brown was bad. And so to disconnect and other social communities it's oftentimes looked upon as good. As I went through my healing work, I realized that I needed to connect with my intersectionality. So that is part of how the system operates as a machine. It wants us to not feel good about our own marginalized identity, even though we hold these traditions, beliefs, values, histories, arts and all these other things. But we're told to not associate with that. But I think that's something we need to raise more awareness of and how these systems are operating that way to help us dissociate with it. >> Yeah, thank you very much. It's very clear. Appreciate that. >> MALIBU BARRON: And I think I have about 30 minutes left. So I will go ahead and move on. So perfect timing. So we can use this specific grounding activity here. I know some people tend to find this triggering. So if you feel you are not able to connect with this grounding activity, that's okay. You can do your own grounding work for a minute. You don't have to necessarily participate fully or agree with this specific grounding. But there are some people who do like this grounding work to feel they are safe, they are processing this moment, doing this work with people who want to move forward and the change within the community. And so as you saw with the recent person that came on the screen, the room was dark. They were wearing PJs. I wish I could do same thing. But if that's your situation, that's a perfect situation to do that. So I want you on floor with your feet flat on floor. Your back on chair seated. Relax, shoulders down. Again, check your feet. My feet is a little bit cold right now. If your feet are cold, put on some socks maybe. If your feet are warm, take off your socks. Feel your toes. Just recognizing your relationship with your feet. Now, moving on up, check your knees. Then see in your legs, is there any attention you're holding in your body? Is there any pain you might feel? Is there anything else coming up? And this of course is no judgment of what is going on. We just want to recognize what is going on. Moving on upwards, we're going to see and feel what's happening in our back. Are we holding any tension? Move up to your chest. Do you have any tension in your chest? Is there any tension in your shoulder? You want to release that tension. Now, your jaw. Jaw, the jaw tends to be clenched. Most people tend to clench their jaws a lot. So you want to unclench your jaws. Move upward to your head. If you're processing a lot of information, try to calm that chaos in your brain and try to put yourself in a calm situation. Don't fall asleep, but we want you to make sure you feel relaxed. So I am going to count to 3. Then I want you to breathe in. Hold that 5 and release at 6. So 1, 2, 3, inhaling. Hold at 4, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Exhale. Exhale 1, 2, 35, 6, inhale. And exhale. Inhale. Hold. Exhale. All right. So use this practice, grounding practice any time before bed or before you go to work. But just take time to also read this one book I like to suggest for you all. You can also download an electronic version of this book. But it's called the body keeps score. And so I really have been in a journey of reading this book for 7 months. I'm trying to find the magic key to my healing. It came to the realization that breathing mindfulness in yoga, and also EMDR, usually the basic tools that will help you get to the place of healing. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: We missed a few comments here. One comment was, from Domonic saying how can I feel safe as a Black person. Other folks were saying they loved that book. Oh, yes, how can I'd be safe as a Black person? Do you want me to share more about that? I just want to clarify specifically what your needs are written relation to your comment, Domonic. >> MALIBU BARRON: Domonic, would you like to put a comment in chat or come on-screen? You could raise your hand up and we can move you into the space for video. You just have to click the hand icon. Fantastic. >> Awesome. Hello. So my question I ask is how can I feel safe as you're going through activity? I was thinking, well, as of right now, I'm home. But if I were in a public space, how do I go ahead and use those same tools to help me feel more calm and at ease? Because all of which times, it feels that's impossible, because anywhere I go doesn't necessarily feel safe for me as a Black woman. >> MALIBU BARRON: Your points are absolutely valid. Grounding is certainly a privilege. However, you can start from breathing and just taking a pause. Maybe breathing at one, take a pause, two, then pause, and move forward. Because we're taught as women, as BIPOC people, as Deaf people, that we have to keep moving. We have to keep moving to survive. And that's how the world is how it is, but we have to do what we need to do to keep moving. And in a quick moment, you get labeled as the angry Black woman. But I think it's important that we acknowledge how our system works. At the same time, we have to own our healing and claim what's important to us. And maybe that means just starting small. You know, for example, yoga, I really can't sign and do yoga. It's really -- yoga itself is triggering for me. Especially growing up in a domestic violence. And so for me, I just have to start with breathing small. And acknowledge how that triggers things in my mind. And then work from there. And what's the best thing is working with a therapist. You know, they automatically create a space for me. The therapist has really been key in helping me find this space for myself. So maybe for yourself, just start small. You got this. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Just going through the comments. It takes practice to ground self. >> MALIBU BARRON: It takes courage and baby steps. There's no right way to heal. As long as harm is caused towards us, it's important that we are patient with ourselves, we're vulnerable, maybe starting with one or two people whom you trust. You know, for me, it took me at least 10 years before I was able to talk about the things that happened. My health situation, marginalization I have experienced my life and be proud of who I am. And also own the harm. And also I tried to acknowledge and hold space for other people and their journeys. People who I mentioned earlier, they have directly or indirectly impacted me as a person who I am today. And I certainly would not be this person without those people standing behind me and helping me move on. I'm not perfect today, I'm still doing my work. And I think authenticity is the really important part of this. To have these brave courageous discussions. And sometimes you can have them at the moment. You know, our world and our society is not okay. And it's not safe for many people. And it's important to acknowledge that as well. Wow, so I actually only have 15 minutes. I'm going to try to move this very quickly. I'm happy with that. Okay. So I just want to mention that oppression takes many different forms. On an individual level it could be implicit or explicit. Implicit could be like n words or picking specific gender or having preference with specific gender. They have overt behavior and some implicit words. Sometimes people around every single day may not acknowledge they're racist but you take that risk and you know you're going into spaces that are oppressive racism. So sometimes impression can be explicit or implicit. It could also be interpersonal when you're working with your colleagues, when you're engaging with your supervisors, whether in the classroom or students, family members, or the community. With your partner or any type of relationship you have, each with your children. That interpersonal relationship of who you're working with. It could be a department or program in your workplace, maybe a small program. It could be a family. You know, people who kind of get together in shared spaces. It could be a residential school, public schools, prisons. All these different spaces are part of the big machine of white supremacy. And oppression exists in each part of these. Not just in one particular space, but all specific parts of these forms include oppression. When you see all these parts, you may think that's it. But that's actually not true. However, racism, sexism, Audism, ableism, heterosexualism, ageism, lingualism, deprivation, colorism, lookism, and there's a but what more of "isms" but they're all connected and there's no one different than other. All of these are forms of oppression. And they're in our schools and workplaces, they're in our policies and practices, constitution and amendment, they're all embedded with all these "ism." We need to be mindful of the overlap and intersection of all these isms. I'm sorry, I'm moving faster than I want. I want space for you to have a discussion. So I apologize for moving quickly. You know, these are multi-layers of situation and multiple truth that brought us to this point. Each person in room, I see we have 36 people. All of you are bringing different stories to this space today. And we've got here together. There's no one particular truth. Because everyone also has multiple truths within themselves. As well as their multiple identities. And it's important that we honor that. We honor that ability to come together and have these types of conversations. People you engage with every day, your family, your workspace, anywhere. You need to acknowledge that the people are showing up with multiple truths, even myself, as a presenter here I'm showing up with multiple truths. I just want to clarify, you know, I don't know everything. And I will say that my spelling may not be perfect. Growing up, vocabulary was not my strength. So I did -- what I meant in terms of the words I used there, linguist meant a person who may use a certain language, written language, particularly on a job interview. You may look at someone who has a master's degree and yet, their English is not what they expect. So person is defining what their written English should look like. Or a person who writes well, they judge to have more intelligence. Or may not understand what people are trying to mean. But the concept behind some of what people are sharing may be really rich. For example, you know, sometimes in poetry, they may be able to express things in a different way. But it's important that we don't equate language proficiency with intelligence. And you know, because they may not understand the written policies does not mean they don't under the concept between the policies and practices and say oh well. So my point is reflecting back to a abilities. It's not about intelligence. You know, because there's some grass roots community members who are very bright people. But they experience oppression every day. And we do not frame it in a way that highlights what they're bringing to table. So I guess linguistism, but that is my response to your message there. Thank you. So what I like to do now is some open space dialogue. And we're going to follow the courageous conversation format and principles. The goal is healing and holding space when you see someone that you may have a disagreement with, you understand that you have to accept that may not be closure with that. Some people may not be in the mood to pop-up and show their space and have these discussions. But I do want you to stay in this space. I like to give everyone 10 minutes to respond to these 3 questions. How do we know, first of all, if we're welcomed or we belong? Is it obvious, unwritten, or unspoken? Second question is how do we form spaces that raise awareness and allow space for healing to occur? Third one is how does action of interrupting oppression mean to you? So we can -- you can type a comment, you can raise your hand or come on-screen. But we're going to talk about these for 10 minutes. So one comment is what is enough to be inclusive? Do you want me to answer that? Or do you want to discuss? Morag, let us know. If you lake to join this space for 9 minutes, please raise your hand. And then we'll include you in this discussion. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Question what is enough to be inclusive? Next question is, I would think to be inclusive should be limitless. Plenty of thoughts, that is my journey, deaf enough, hard-of-hearing enough, nurse what you deaf? >> Are other people joining here or is it just me? Anyone else going to show up? All right, anyway. I am Shana. I'm Shana Gibbs. Thank you for your presentation. I really enjoyed it. So I wanted to answer that first question. As interesting as we talk about BIPOC and the work that we do in our spaces, if it wasn't for the work for, the work happening in two different spaces, for me particularly, I realize that I'm more so honor in support of one space than other. And that one that I do, I realize that I was more attentive and more involved in it because of what a lot of racism and oppression and other micro-aggression that was happening to me that were not present in other space. So oftentimes I was very accepting and passive about those experiences and just went about my day. What is the other space that was more BIPOC, I felt more able to talk about these things that weren't acceptable and whatnot. So once I recognized that I start to apply those other space, but I saw some resentment. And I realized how much energy that space was taking out of me when it came to dealing with that other workspace that didn't value me, didn't respect me as a person, didn't really include me. And in some ways sometimes were obvious and sometimes not. And so there was all of these things taking place in that other workspace. So I realized how much I was working and doing that emotional work to tell myself I'm still worthy, I'm still valuable, I'm still able to contribute. And so that work that was happening in that space, and that one workspace that was more affirmative, I felt that, no, I had to -- I had to, you know, just recognize what was going on and see what the differences that were happening in the two spaces. >> MALIBU BARRON: Thank you for sharing. You know, having two-part time jobs, allowing you to have a lens into different spaces, one that is more affirming than another. And when you're in a space where you're not welcomed, the energy kind of gets drained out of you very quickly. And you have to figure out how to refill your cup, sort of speak. But when you're in the affirming space, you feel really good. And me that will impact you for the long-term. If you were in that space that was draining, you will become burnt out. And it was due to the oppression you experienced in that space. But affirming space, you have the ability to refill your cup. So you do want to invest in this space where you are affirmed. >> And so because of that experience, I decided to go leave that workspace that was draining because there was no benefit. I was giving so much and getting so little back. So I gave my notice and I left. So thank you for allowing me to share that. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Thank you for sharing. I see lots of comments coming through here. Derrick says I just don't know where to start. There's so many things I could talk about. Next comment from Jones, I wonder, intellectualism, is that the right word? >> MALIBU BARRON: Yes, I can answer that. There are many possibilities. There are many words I have personally overlooked. There are many can conform. However, from my understanding, it is ableism that is strongly related to intellectual -- it's under A.D.A.? So, intellectual disabilities, there's no particular one way of being smart sort of speak, oh, multiple intelligences. You know, under multiple intelligences, you can have variety of talent. Particularly in music, particular intelligence when it comes to writing. But in terms of the school system, we are colonized to believe that intelligence only means one particular way. There's only one form to express your intelligence via writing. Yet, there are some people very talented in terms of engaging with other people and even giving presentations. That is a particular type of intelligence. So we need to recognize those things and we need to honor these talents of people and sometimes there are not enough words to determine how people are being oppressed. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Regular began says I'm glad you have that opportunity. I'm white, so I'm here to listen and I have no idea what to do. >> MALIBU BARRON: So I do want to acknowledge that I do have less than 5 minutes with you. I knew this was going to be a tight fit here. You know, one hour and 45 minutes is my max to be able to present the way I like to. I need to make sure I have space to take care of myself. So I do want to encourage you to continue the dialogue with these questions out in community with your family members, at the dinner table, or even at your work place if you feel safe to do with your colleagues. Do people feel welcomed here? What ways can we reclaim ourselves in this space so we feel welcomed belong, like we belong in this space? Because the oppression is ongoing. The whole concept of imposter syndrome like the feeling they don't feel like they fit in. It is the actually oppression in space. It can come up in your work and other different spaces. So these questions are not the end of the discussion. You don't fingertip at 8 o'clock or 9 o'clock your time. We need to continue the dialogue. And continue the conversations. Maybe after this, have a conversation with someone to help start take steps towards dismantling the system. And figure out how we can make people feel included and feel like they belong and not only money is not always the issue. There are other ways we can do so. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: I looked up development of observation and use of intellect. It's label not an ISM. Not sure if it helps. Sharply says thank you, Malibu, for the ability to add tools to my chest for open mind heart framing. I appreciate you, Malibu. >> MALIBU BARRON: Let me see if I can cover more things. Steph testify last comment, Reagan says what a great model for holding space. Thank you for helping give ideas of how that healing can happen. >> MALIBU BARRON: So I'm going to wrap-up with my final thoughts. I want you to know that this is not over at the end of my presentation. You need to start taking action. I held space for you, now you need to go and hold space for other people who may not have been here today. You can take opportunity to share what you learned here. You know, the sharing is not mine, this space is not my own work. This is information that I brought through interactions with other people. I can't hold all the knowledge and filter out what is being shared with the group in this space here today. So I'm really hoping that you can commit to this work, focus on developing relationships first. And try to be intentional about how you are creating space so we can heal. Acknowledge people's feelings, their anger, that they're upset or they experience violence, or they have trauma or carrying trauma. Are they hurting people or causing harm to others? You know, and for myself, how I may want this commitment and want to see change, I recognize that it has to start with me. You know, this system has a problem, yes? That you may not like. But what you can change is within yourself. You have to continue this conversation. If you see me out there in community, stop it talk with me about it. It's not a two-hour session that we learn p move on and talk about it. It's a dialogue that needs to happen every single day. If you see the community, stop and have a conversation. If you see me on social media, feel free to ask me. But I'm open and welcome these dialogues going forward. And I think that's it. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Okay. Thank you, everyone. >> MALIBU BARRON: Thank you for allowing me to spend time and hold space with you. And I'm humbled. And I hope to see you in person and not just here on Zoom. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: People said amen and a woman. Thank you. I'm grateful. See more thank you. Thank you, Malibu. Thank you. Thank you, and good to see you after A.D.A. >> MALIBU BARRON: ADARA? >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: This was a very valuable seminar. Thank you. Joe says thank you for your presentation and tools. Robert says thank you Malibu for great discussion. And this is very inspiring. >> MALIBU BARRON: I look forward to the next webinar. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Yes, thank you, Malibu for your time and talking about what we can do indices dissing system. And not just dismantling the system, but our journey within it and how we should have a open mind and heart and how we work together. Oftentimes we think it's just about the individual but we should also be focusing on the community as a whole. >> MALIBU BARRON: Bye-bye, everyone. I'm going to turn off my camera. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: Thank you, all, in attendance for joining today's seminar. We do have another one scheduled. I think I said this was the 6th, but actually ex-next seminar will be the 6th. And it will be same 6th to 9:00 p.m. eastern. And focusing on LGBTQIA and we'll talk about identifying and recognizing racism. So we'll be putting out a poster about that soon. Hope to see you there. If you're not there next Thursday, then hopefully we'll see you at the NAD conference at the end of the month. Good evening and goodnight and see you next time. Thank you. Goodnight. And also thank you to the interpreters as well the captioner. >> MALIBU BARRON: Thank you to the interpreter, captioner, and I believe it's Lizzie for helping with tech support on the back-end. Take care, everyone. >> STEPHANIE HAKULIN: And from NAD, I like to say goodnight to everyone. Thank you.